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Post by spacedaisy on Oct 9, 2017 15:36:34 GMT
It took me a little longer to watch it this time, since I went to visit my sister and have just been busy. But I finally watched the third episode yesterday and want to comment before conversation about the next one starts, lol. I found it a lot more convoluted. I must admit being intrigued by the direction it seems to be going, but I think I need to watch it again to really wrap my brain around it... I think that is a good sign though.
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Post by Nola on Oct 9, 2017 16:02:10 GMT
It very much had a '2nd pilot' feel, but I'm definitely interested in seeing where it goes. I liked most of the new characters, and I continue to enjoy the little peeks of humanity we see from Michael, like the little smirk she gives Tilly at the end when she says she's going to be a Captain some day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 13:01:21 GMT
(after seeing episode 4). I'm having a DS9 re-watch with my wife, and today we watched the episode Inquisition, where we first meet Sloan, and he tells Bashir about Section 31 and how they've been around since the beginning of the Federation.
It made me wonder if the story we're being told in ST:D is about the birth of Section 31. Perhaps that is what CJ meant last week when he posted about the black badges, but I didn't make the connection at the time. Captain Lorca tries to recruit Michael and even says "Don’t worry about Starfleet. They gave me discretion to fight this war however I saw fit."
Obviously I've been a bit slow here, I missed that, but I'd love to hear all of your more extensive thoughts on this.
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Post by spacedaisy on Oct 11, 2017 16:05:04 GMT
I've thought that was what we might be watching since the second episode. Lorca has a distinct "the ends always justify the means" mindset that really defines Section 31. It is part of why I am really feeling invested in Discovery at the moment. I feel like they found a new angle to pursue and I'm interested to see where they go with it. I really enjoy the tension between Lorca and the scientist heading up the spore drive project. I can't remember his name at the moment. And the moment when Saru realizes that Michael only apologized to him to get him near the containment area and observe his ganglia. His disappointment in her only continues to grow and I felt bad for him. Up until then I felt like he wasn't giving her a decent shot at redemption. But when he said she fit in perfectly with Lorca, oh man. She treads such a fine line between where Saru falls and where Lorca falls. What will she be when it is all said and done? They are doing excellent things with character development.
My biggest complaint... Tilly. This is a miscast imo. They call her kid and want us to see her as a young, wide eyed Ensign, fresh and idealistic. But the actress doesn't look like that to me. Not to sound bad but the eyes look much older than I feel like they want us to believe she is. I like the idea of the character, I don't care for the actress they chose. I love her hair though, lol.
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Post by Einar on Oct 12, 2017 13:13:17 GMT
S31 was already established in Enterprise however, so this is not their origin.
But I believe this is black-ops or S31 for sure. And I love Lorca.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 13:39:39 GMT
Oh, didn't know that, haven't watched enough of ENT. Yeah yeah, I will.. I will... right after Firefly.
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Post by spacedaisy on Oct 12, 2017 16:10:01 GMT
I've watched all of Enterprise but I didn't remember that lol. You can see how much on that series stuck with me.
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Post by Nola on Oct 12, 2017 17:26:07 GMT
My biggest complaint... Tilly. This is a miscast imo. They call her kid and want us to see her as a young, wide eyed Ensign, fresh and idealistic. But the actress doesn't look like that to me. Not to sound bad but the eyes look much older than I feel like they want us to believe she is. I like the idea of the character, I don't care for the actress they chose. I love her hair though, lol. There is such a thing as a late bloomer. Tilly clearly has some anxiety issues and neurotic tendencies, and it's entirely possible that has held her back a bit developmentally. I say this as someone who didn't really become bright-eyed and idealistic until the latter half of my 20s. I don't believe her age has been explicitly stated. It's also not clear how old Mary Wiseman is, which is honestly not important either.
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Post by spacedaisy on Oct 12, 2017 23:02:03 GMT
It's less the bright eyed idealism, than it is her being referred to as "kid" that makes me feel that way though.
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Post by spacedaisy on Oct 12, 2017 23:41:42 GMT
I feel I should be clear this is not a commentary on her ability as actress. I think as far as acting the part she does fine. And the fact this is my biggest complaint should say something about how little I find worth complaining about anything. Because while it's my biggest complaint, it's not a major deal.
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Post by Nola on Oct 12, 2017 23:58:29 GMT
Fair enough
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Post by Nola on Oct 16, 2017 5:43:10 GMT
Apparently Klingons have 2 dicks. This is now canon.
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Post by Einar on Oct 16, 2017 12:49:46 GMT
so......episode 5. Just wow. Mudd was on point!! And the final scene....chills.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 17:48:04 GMT
I will throw in my first beef with the new show, and I am aware that I am probably in a minority here, but I can pick out any Star Trek episode from TOS-VOY and know that my kids can watch it with me. That is no longer the case with ST:D. I know, it is darker, and the rating is higher, this is the new style, but does the violence have to be so graphic? I'm not averse to it, I watch Game of Thrones, for example, but this is Star Trek, and while I like the show, a part of me does think it is a shame that it is no longer for everyone of all ages. My kids don't exactly sit and watch DS9 with me, but I can at least have it on while they are still in the same room, even on the darkest episodes about the Dominion War. I can no longer do that. I have no issue with swearing either, but the "that was fucking cool" scene felt forced and shoved in, like "whoo, look, we're swearing in Star Trek!" To be clear, I enjoy the show, and this new style, but in changing to this new style it has left something behind.
That aside, it was a good episode plot-wise. I felt episode 4 was a bit of a holding episode, and this one was the payoff. I'm liking Lorca more each week, and I finally feel like I'm getting comfortable with the crew. Mudd was excellent too! I'm enjoying seeing how Saru has evolved over time. In the beginning he was cautious and wary, but after the loss of Georgiou, the interactions with Michael, and the experience of war, he's changed to the point he'll now do almost anything, even putting a sentient being at risk.
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